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	<title>Comments on: Time for Posey&#8217;s multi-year deal</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff Fletcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 16:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Upon further review, I think I&#039;d remove the two no-buyout options at $15M. Apparently since the Rays got such a sweet deal with Longoria like that, no agent is going to do that again.

This is fun, isn&#039;t it? 

Maybe I can be an agent or a GM while I&#039;m an unemployed sports writer. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Upon further review, I think I&#8217;d remove the two no-buyout options at $15M. Apparently since the Rays got such a sweet deal with Longoria like that, no agent is going to do that again.</p>
<p>This is fun, isn&#8217;t it? </p>
<p>Maybe I can be an agent or a GM while I&#8217;m an unemployed sports writer. <img src='http://baybridgebaseball.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Fletcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 01:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Lincecum had not won the Cy Young, that $8M would have been more like $4M, comp to a Verlander. So the only way Posey gets there in his first arb year is by winning the MVP. I don&#039;t think his side can count on that happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Lincecum had not won the Cy Young, that $8M would have been more like $4M, comp to a Verlander. So the only way Posey gets there in his first arb year is by winning the MVP. I don&#8217;t think his side can count on that happening.</p>
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		<title>By: obsessivegiantscompulsive</title>
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		<dc:creator>obsessivegiantscompulsive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Mar 2011 00:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;m all for signing Posey long term, but it takes two to tango and he&#039;s not going to go cheaply.  

Remember, he got #1 bonus in the draft despite falling to #5, though part of that was because a rumor floated that he wanted $12M; he eventually signed for a little over $6M, highest bonus until Boras somehow twisted around something for Alvarez so that he can claim that title.

So he&#039;s already gotten really big money already, while Tulo and Longoria, they got a big bonus, but after taxes and agent cuts, they probably ended up around or under $1M left over once all said and done.  Posey got $2-3M probably left over.  

Still, $30M+ is nothing to sneeze, but looking at Lincecum&#039;s path, in his first year in arbitration, he got $8M from the Giants.  Posey, assuming he continues to do well, probably can expect at least $5-6M in 2013 assuming he Super-2&#039;s as expected and $9-10M in 2014.  So barring injury, which is a bigger possibility for a catcher (see Carlos Santana, Jason Castro), he only has to wait a few seasons to get to that big payoff, about half of that amount.

I just don&#039;t see him signing for that low an amount to give cost certainty plus take him off the market for a season.  $40M is probably where his side starts to get interested.  Plus, remember, that was 3 seasons ago that Tulo signed, at 10% inflation per annum, would put that at roughly $42M in today&#039;s baseball dollars, which is probably a little on the high side as salaries have not risen as much in recent years.  Which put us back around $40M.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m all for signing Posey long term, but it takes two to tango and he&#8217;s not going to go cheaply.  </p>
<p>Remember, he got #1 bonus in the draft despite falling to #5, though part of that was because a rumor floated that he wanted $12M; he eventually signed for a little over $6M, highest bonus until Boras somehow twisted around something for Alvarez so that he can claim that title.</p>
<p>So he&#8217;s already gotten really big money already, while Tulo and Longoria, they got a big bonus, but after taxes and agent cuts, they probably ended up around or under $1M left over once all said and done.  Posey got $2-3M probably left over.  </p>
<p>Still, $30M+ is nothing to sneeze, but looking at Lincecum&#8217;s path, in his first year in arbitration, he got $8M from the Giants.  Posey, assuming he continues to do well, probably can expect at least $5-6M in 2013 assuming he Super-2&#8242;s as expected and $9-10M in 2014.  So barring injury, which is a bigger possibility for a catcher (see Carlos Santana, Jason Castro), he only has to wait a few seasons to get to that big payoff, about half of that amount.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t see him signing for that low an amount to give cost certainty plus take him off the market for a season.  $40M is probably where his side starts to get interested.  Plus, remember, that was 3 seasons ago that Tulo signed, at 10% inflation per annum, would put that at roughly $42M in today&#8217;s baseball dollars, which is probably a little on the high side as salaries have not risen as much in recent years.  Which put us back around $40M.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Fletcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Fletcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 23:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>22Gigantes, I think it&#039;d be pretty tough for Posey to turn down a guaranteed $31.5 million with 161 days of service time. I also think it would be pretty tough for the Giants to guarantee $31.5 million to someone with 161 days of service time. That&#039;s what makes a good deal. Both sides are assuming some risk.

As for the free agent thing, Posey could always agree to something without the option years tacked on, if that&#039;s a deal breaker. Perhaps the Giants could guarantee a little more up front to keep the options. It&#039;s all negotiable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>22Gigantes, I think it&#8217;d be pretty tough for Posey to turn down a guaranteed $31.5 million with 161 days of service time. I also think it would be pretty tough for the Giants to guarantee $31.5 million to someone with 161 days of service time. That&#8217;s what makes a good deal. Both sides are assuming some risk.</p>
<p>As for the free agent thing, Posey could always agree to something without the option years tacked on, if that&#8217;s a deal breaker. Perhaps the Giants could guarantee a little more up front to keep the options. It&#8217;s all negotiable.</p>
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		<title>By: 22gigantes</title>
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		<dc:creator>22gigantes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 20:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doubt Posey&#039;s agent will go for a long-term deal this early in his career. They will want to test him in the free agent market and get Yankees-type money for him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doubt Posey&#8217;s agent will go for a long-term deal this early in his career. They will want to test him in the free agent market and get Yankees-type money for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2011 19:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I&#039;m not sure why the Giants haven&#039;t done this.  I think they should even look into a deal that goes into 2021 or so.  There couldn&#039;t possibly be a better investment than Posey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;m not sure why the Giants haven&#8217;t done this.  I think they should even look into a deal that goes into 2021 or so.  There couldn&#8217;t possibly be a better investment than Posey.</p>
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