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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://baybridgebaseball.com/2009/02/frandsen-or-burriss-period/comment-page-1/#comment-513</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I guess I just hope Franny can make everyone eat their words.  Here is my prediction (based solely on intuition): if they play him everyday (that being the most unlikely part of this) - 12+HRs, 30+doubles, .290+average, lots of HBP, 20SB. My Burriss intuition meter says, 1HR, 15doubles, .240ish avg, 30-40SB, and lots of slap/chop infield singles.  Also, having grown up with the likes of Clark, Williams, and Thompson, it seems clear that Frandsen is cut from the same cloth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I guess I just hope Franny can make everyone eat their words.  Here is my prediction (based solely on intuition): if they play him everyday (that being the most unlikely part of this) &#8211; 12+HRs, 30+doubles, .290+average, lots of HBP, 20SB. My Burriss intuition meter says, 1HR, 15doubles, .240ish avg, 30-40SB, and lots of slap/chop infield singles.  Also, having grown up with the likes of Clark, Williams, and Thompson, it seems clear that Frandsen is cut from the same cloth.</p>
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		<title>By: Reed Rothchild</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reed Rothchild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frandsen is HORRIBLE.  He will never help your team more than he hurts it.

Garbage doesn&#039;t fill holes, it just creates greater ones.  Cut all three of them, play a young unknown prospect that weighs more that 180 pounds soaking wet, who takes a pitch and just prey he develops into someone that walks and hits the ball farther than 300 feet.  If he doesn&#039;t, cut him and try again.  See the Marlins... they win a WS every 7 years doing this strategy with no money.  The Red Sox win every other year doing this strategy with money.  The Giants are somewhere in between but are the opposite of that strategy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frandsen is HORRIBLE.  He will never help your team more than he hurts it.</p>
<p>Garbage doesn&#8217;t fill holes, it just creates greater ones.  Cut all three of them, play a young unknown prospect that weighs more that 180 pounds soaking wet, who takes a pitch and just prey he develops into someone that walks and hits the ball farther than 300 feet.  If he doesn&#8217;t, cut him and try again.  See the Marlins&#8230; they win a WS every 7 years doing this strategy with no money.  The Red Sox win every other year doing this strategy with money.  The Giants are somewhere in between but are the opposite of that strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dudley Dawson</title>
		<link>http://baybridgebaseball.com/2009/02/frandsen-or-burriss-period/comment-page-1/#comment-508</link>
		<dc:creator>Dudley Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....and this particular discussion has 0 to do with Sabian and his inability to draft/develop hitters.  There is little need to discuss, as that is fairly obvious.

The topic at hand is which of the three crappy choices at 2B is best best to essentially fill a hole.  The answer, unfortunately, is Frandsen.

Piss, or get of the pott Reed......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.and this particular discussion has 0 to do with Sabian and his inability to draft/develop hitters.  There is little need to discuss, as that is fairly obvious.</p>
<p>The topic at hand is which of the three crappy choices at 2B is best best to essentially fill a hole.  The answer, unfortunately, is Frandsen.</p>
<p>Piss, or get of the pott Reed&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dudley Dawson</title>
		<link>http://baybridgebaseball.com/2009/02/frandsen-or-burriss-period/comment-page-1/#comment-507</link>
		<dc:creator>Dudley Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t Babe Ruth the Babe Ruth of the 20th Century?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t Babe Ruth the Babe Ruth of the 20th Century?</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 23:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=4971

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=31511

Which of these two players would you rather have as the frontrunner in your 2B battle?

And as far as Frandsen&#039;s 2007 totals, he only had 264 AB&#039;s. It&#039;s no wonder his batting average fluctuated widly. I don&#039;t think looking at his batting average at the beginning of each month tells a complete story.

Reed, sounds like the upcoming season is going to be a lot of fun for you.</description>
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<p><a href="http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=31511" rel="nofollow">http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=31511</a></p>
<p>Which of these two players would you rather have as the frontrunner in your 2B battle?</p>
<p>And as far as Frandsen&#8217;s 2007 totals, he only had 264 AB&#8217;s. It&#8217;s no wonder his batting average fluctuated widly. I don&#8217;t think looking at his batting average at the beginning of each month tells a complete story.</p>
<p>Reed, sounds like the upcoming season is going to be a lot of fun for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Reed Rothchild</title>
		<link>http://baybridgebaseball.com/2009/02/frandsen-or-burriss-period/comment-page-1/#comment-505</link>
		<dc:creator>Reed Rothchild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, time to come to Nat&#039;s aid, the only logical one here.  Listen... when was the last time a hitter came up in the Giants&#039; farm system that actually helped their team?  Matt Williams?  Will Clark?  So what would make any of you possibly think these &quot;prospects&quot; will be good?  The prospects above being discussed are GARBAGE and will always be GARBAGE!!!  They hurt your team more than they help your team so why bother discussing them?  Good Defense does not = WS Rings.  Speed does not = WS rings, so never try to sell someone by saying they&#039;re &quot;fast&quot; or &quot;good on the base paths.&quot;  Pitching and OPS wins championships, period.  Just check history is you don&#039;t believe me.  See Phillies of 2008.  And the Giants/Sabian avoid OPS like the plague.  The Giants should never draft a hitter, they have no idea what makes a good major league hitter, we&#039;ve witnessed this over the last 20 years as they&#039;ve had no success with anybody in their farm system since the Humm Baby days.  And don&#039;t say Pedro Feliz.  You&#039;d think they&#039;d get lucky once, but no.  They should stick to drafting pitchers or trading their picks.

I seriously can&#039;t believe you guys are discussing which of these scrub players should play.  Barry Bonds is gone.  Sabian can no longer be bailed out by him carrying the team.  As long as Sabian is around, the Giants will never have success cause Sabian has no clue at what makes a good hitter unless it&#039;s the Babe Ruth of the 20th Century, like Bonds was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, time to come to Nat&#8217;s aid, the only logical one here.  Listen&#8230; when was the last time a hitter came up in the Giants&#8217; farm system that actually helped their team?  Matt Williams?  Will Clark?  So what would make any of you possibly think these &#8220;prospects&#8221; will be good?  The prospects above being discussed are GARBAGE and will always be GARBAGE!!!  They hurt your team more than they help your team so why bother discussing them?  Good Defense does not = WS Rings.  Speed does not = WS rings, so never try to sell someone by saying they&#8217;re &#8220;fast&#8221; or &#8220;good on the base paths.&#8221;  Pitching and OPS wins championships, period.  Just check history is you don&#8217;t believe me.  See Phillies of 2008.  And the Giants/Sabian avoid OPS like the plague.  The Giants should never draft a hitter, they have no idea what makes a good major league hitter, we&#8217;ve witnessed this over the last 20 years as they&#8217;ve had no success with anybody in their farm system since the Humm Baby days.  And don&#8217;t say Pedro Feliz.  You&#8217;d think they&#8217;d get lucky once, but no.  They should stick to drafting pitchers or trading their picks.</p>
<p>I seriously can&#8217;t believe you guys are discussing which of these scrub players should play.  Barry Bonds is gone.  Sabian can no longer be bailed out by him carrying the team.  As long as Sabian is around, the Giants will never have success cause Sabian has no clue at what makes a good hitter unless it&#8217;s the Babe Ruth of the 20th Century, like Bonds was.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat Busichio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nat Busichio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction - his OPS in &#039;06 was .798 not .825, but he was ranked 91st that year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction &#8211; his OPS in &#8217;06 was .798 not .825, but he was ranked 91st that year.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat Busichio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nat Busichio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle,

Since I practice the insane habit of checking stats before qualifying things as being &quot;sterling&quot; as you labeled Frandsen&#039;s minor league performance, here are a couple of things to consider:

In 2005 Frandsen ranked 27th in OPS in the Single A California league, he didn&#039;t have enough plate appearances at any other level that year to qualify among the league leaders.  This put him nearly at the same level of the Travis Ishikawa who ranked 22nd that year.

In 2006 Frandsen ranked 91st in OPS in the PCL with a whopping .825 OPS.  To put this in perspective, this put him 18 spots behind the slugger we know and love, Cody Ransom (.824 OPS), 22 spots behind Fred Lewis (.828 OPS) and 25 spots behind Todd Linden(!) (.834).

As for the AZ Fall League, in 2005 Frandsen ranked 38th in OPS with a paltry total of .693.  He did, however, have a very good fall league in 2006 while ranking 2nd in the league with a 1.068 OPS.  So if we were to ignore his minor leagues stats in 2005 &amp; 2006 as well as those for the &#039;05 Fall League, then I would agree with you that he has a &quot;sterling&quot; resume from which to build.  Unfortunately that&#039;s not possible, so I would categorize his performance thus far as decent/mediocre.

And since you mentioned it, in 2007 his batting averages at the beginning of the last months of that season were:

Jul 1:  .255
Aug 1:  .248
Sep 1:  .237

He was still hitting .249 up until the last 9 games of the season when he went on his 9 game &quot;terror&quot; hitting .400 during that time.  It was actually only a 1 game terror since he went 5 for 5 in one of those games and hit .300 during the other 8.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle,</p>
<p>Since I practice the insane habit of checking stats before qualifying things as being &#8220;sterling&#8221; as you labeled Frandsen&#8217;s minor league performance, here are a couple of things to consider:</p>
<p>In 2005 Frandsen ranked 27th in OPS in the Single A California league, he didn&#8217;t have enough plate appearances at any other level that year to qualify among the league leaders.  This put him nearly at the same level of the Travis Ishikawa who ranked 22nd that year.</p>
<p>In 2006 Frandsen ranked 91st in OPS in the PCL with a whopping .825 OPS.  To put this in perspective, this put him 18 spots behind the slugger we know and love, Cody Ransom (.824 OPS), 22 spots behind Fred Lewis (.828 OPS) and 25 spots behind Todd Linden(!) (.834).</p>
<p>As for the AZ Fall League, in 2005 Frandsen ranked 38th in OPS with a paltry total of .693.  He did, however, have a very good fall league in 2006 while ranking 2nd in the league with a 1.068 OPS.  So if we were to ignore his minor leagues stats in 2005 &amp; 2006 as well as those for the &#8217;05 Fall League, then I would agree with you that he has a &#8220;sterling&#8221; resume from which to build.  Unfortunately that&#8217;s not possible, so I would categorize his performance thus far as decent/mediocre.</p>
<p>And since you mentioned it, in 2007 his batting averages at the beginning of the last months of that season were:</p>
<p>Jul 1:  .255<br />
Aug 1:  .248<br />
Sep 1:  .237</p>
<p>He was still hitting .249 up until the last 9 games of the season when he went on his 9 game &#8220;terror&#8221; hitting .400 during that time.  It was actually only a 1 game terror since he went 5 for 5 in one of those games and hit .300 during the other 8.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I gotta believe, if healthy, it&#039;s Frandsen&#039;s job to lose.  Burriss is the more effective player off the bench as he can be used as a pinch runner, defensive replacement, and he switch hits.  

In the end, I don&#039;t think this decision will have much effect on the way their season goes.  Renteria replacing Vizquel, a full season of Sandoval, and an improved bullpen should make them at least a .500 team.... and in the NL West that may put them in contention if Manny stays away from the division.  Otherwise the West is going to the winner (loser?) of the Manny sweepstakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gotta believe, if healthy, it&#8217;s Frandsen&#8217;s job to lose.  Burriss is the more effective player off the bench as he can be used as a pinch runner, defensive replacement, and he switch hits.  </p>
<p>In the end, I don&#8217;t think this decision will have much effect on the way their season goes.  Renteria replacing Vizquel, a full season of Sandoval, and an improved bullpen should make them at least a .500 team&#8230;. and in the NL West that may put them in contention if Manny stays away from the division.  Otherwise the West is going to the winner (loser?) of the Manny sweepstakes.</p>
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		<title>By: Duddley Dawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duddley Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nat,

We get the point....you have read money ball and probably played your fair share of Strato-matic baseball.  Simply fact (as depressing as it is) is these are our choices and Frandsen is the best available option at this point.  Things may change during spring training, but it looks like our dream infield of 4 four free swingers who don&#039;t walk, hit for power, are slow and are below average fielders is almost complete!

Hummmmm Baby!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nat,</p>
<p>We get the point&#8230;.you have read money ball and probably played your fair share of Strato-matic baseball.  Simply fact (as depressing as it is) is these are our choices and Frandsen is the best available option at this point.  Things may change during spring training, but it looks like our dream infield of 4 four free swingers who don&#8217;t walk, hit for power, are slow and are below average fielders is almost complete!</p>
<p>Hummmmm Baby!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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